The Chronicle INTERVIEW.

Doctors without Borders/Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) is the world's largest independent international medical relief agency aiding victims of armed conflict, epidemics, and natural and man-made disasters, and others who lack health care due to social marginalization.

With offices in 18 countries, MSF sends more than 2,000 volunteers of more than 45 nationalities to some 80 countries annually. When medical assistance is not enough to save lives, it will speak out against human rights abuses and violations of international law which its teams witness in the course of providing medical relief.

In October 1999, the organization was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, honouring its extraordinary work. Ann Marie Erb-Leoncavallo of the UN Chronicle spoke with Dr. James Orbinski, the International Council President of MSF, about the right to humanitarian assistance, the protection of humanitarian workers and how the United Nations and MSF can better cooperate to save lives.

First of all, congratulations on having received the Nobel Peace Prize. In a press statement, you said the Nobel Prize was "an important confirmation of the fundamental right of ordinary people to humanitarian assistance and protection." Is that right being increasingly respected or not?

The right of human dignity is how I would prefer to state it. I think MSF's unique contribution has been its adherence to a civilian-based, independent humanitarian action-a humanitarian action that is free from political, economic or religious influence and that acts, if necessary, outside of normal institutional structures and normal systems of law. The fact that we were willing in 1971 to do that, and that we have continued our commitment to the dignity of people and their right to humanitarian assistance, I think that is our unique contribution to the world of humanitarianism in the last 20 to 30 years.

Now, as to whether or not people in crisis have more access or less access to humanitarian assistance, or more protection or less protection, in reality, I think, the debate is not settled. There is no question that in terms of the general understanding of international humanitarian law and the general presence of discourse, at least at the level of international relations, the discourse is very much alive and well, and far more so than it was 30 years ago. At the field level, I think there is a danger that we could be moving in a direction where we have what I would call "virtual humanitarianism", whereby there are well-known laws, well-known charters, well-known systems of coordination and so on, but that these are possibly increasingly divorced from the reality of what is happening in the field. I'm not saying that this is what is happening; I'm saying that this is really something for me to reflect on at this point. We are trying to understand what is happening now in the field; it is not clear.

Are you referring to the attacks on humanitarian workers, that this is one of...